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I'm concerned and I was glad to hear a

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dick ship yesterday that I'm not the

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only one who's concerned about the SSC

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and the direction that we've been going

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some so yes as I said I've got the red

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flags up and throwing down the gauntlet

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if anybody wants to take me up so I

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think it's time to reassess our

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standards and it says we we have heist

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and Evon our double standards are high

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but I'm going to hit the website and the

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things that I've we're going to talk

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about most of them are on our website

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and at the council meeting the other day

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we were talking about we want to go to

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industry and look for industry sponsors

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I'll guarantee you that any industry out

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there you know in the straight world the

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first thing they do to check your abs go

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to go look at your website and some of

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our stuff will not stand scrutiny one of

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first of all acknowledge there's a lot

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of good work that's going on so I'm not

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talking about a lot of any of these

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folks no but one of the things that's

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notice is often there's a price

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personally that has been paid by these

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people who have stepped forward left

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their careers and made statement the

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other issue is most of the time these

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folks are working with extremely weak

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signals that's that's kind of a norm

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laughter I had was gonna give this talk

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Roger Nelson came out with his chart

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this is when Sai Baba died and he issued

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this and is by the way there's a

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statistically significant and but his

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comment here was you know these are very

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weak signals that they're working on to

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his credit he also pointed out there

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were two events that happened about the

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same time one was the royal wedding the

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other was the death of Osama and they

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did not get a statistically significant

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event don't really know why pair labs

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Bob and Brenner here but they've been

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working on this and again what you see

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are small but statistically significant

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concern signals over long periods of

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time Dean Radin it is a presentiment

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experiments as well as the other one

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same sorts of thing very small signal

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now these are important understanding

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important to really understand those

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things I want to mention Jack how can

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here the work that he's done in pique

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you know you got the Dinsdale award last

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year but I really wanted the thing from

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Richard Fineman you think science is

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certain less just a mistake on your part

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let me transfer to some of the other

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things last year I gave a whole talk on

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the men who stare at goats and if you

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want it's on the website now too you can

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go and look up the presentation my point

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is this there is zero evidence that

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anybody or any goat ever died from being

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stared at there are strong evidence that

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that did not happen and having said that

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I'm gonna skip this well let me talk to

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him there's a new book out called area

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51 and I just met better the problem

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that I see is this what she did is she

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embedded some folks in real heroes who

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created area 51 the u2 the sr-71 who

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risked their lives in some cases gave

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them and at the end of the book she says

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Oh Roswell happened the Soviets did it

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and we were involved in experiments just

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like Josef Mengele literally linking

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these people with these kinds of

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experiments and saying we the u.s. are

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doing the same things as Josef Mengele

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really hit the guys got kind of

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blindsided on this and to talk about two

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areas one of them your phone this is

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kind of the spectrum of beliefs in UFOs

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runs from the bunkers to aliens among us

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I suspect most of our people are

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somewhere in this category between you

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know we're skeptics they exist to UFOs

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probably exist the problem of UFO

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community right now is they're living

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down here that says aliens are among us

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walking and one out and that's the

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prevailing view my pointer is that what

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they want is quote disclosure my

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argument is UFOs are not the greatest

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story never told and

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it has happened and happened and

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happened the point is you have all of

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these presidents alright suppose you'll

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recognize just me just say a lot of

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important people have already come out

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said UFOs are real UFO community now

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says they good enough we want full

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disclosure and that's somewhere around

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yeah we have trade agreements we're

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working with the ETS and whatnot they

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are deathly serious in this area now one

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of the problems it is yeah it just

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happened to pick one area perception

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there's about 3,000 pilot cases on board

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so it's actually the guy who gets this

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they get about seven cases a year I

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might mention regarding my new book I

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had pilots write me and say I've been an

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airline pilot 30 40 years I've never

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seen a UFO must not exist so there's

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some quick calculations on it because

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3,000 sounds like a lot she says well we

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got about seven reported annually if I'm

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guessing 1% or reported there's

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seventeen point five billion flying

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hours on here and you end up with an

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effect at zero point zero zero zero four

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percent in other words one hand sounds

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like it's there's a lot going on the

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other is reality is it's really rare

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there are no limits to crazy when you

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get into this if you get on you will

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find reports on the internet that I let

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a nuclear attack against aliens in the

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Dulce tunnels I don't care how crazy you

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want to get there's folks out there and

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they say you get in the literature there

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are no lower limits and this is frankly

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one of the bestsellers in there the

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other problem we have is the press it

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was a great case in Bentwaters haven't

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got time to get into it be willing but

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the press ends up last December somebody

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suggested that hey maybe they drop an

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Apollo capsule like we'd lose an Apollo

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capsule someplace just happens to land

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outside of the

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a base at Bentwaters but the point is

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that this is total nonsense

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and yet the British press you know they

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just regard all the facts but the press

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black gloms onto it because it's you

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know it's in the noise but it makes it

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gets attention how does it affect us

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three years ago here upstairs in the

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room we invited this guy now the problem

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is that he really was the minister of

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defense of Canada and he made a series

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of claims I will be blunt I tried to get

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the invitation cancelled it didn't work

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but some of you may know of course a day

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after Roswell problem here is that's one

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of the best-selling books on UFOs of all

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times

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and yet almost no evidence that any of

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it is actually true in fact a lot of you

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know it can almost be totally denied but

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they're talking about the US and ET is

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having a shooting war right now now

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again remember who's saying us and this

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is part of the problem you got the high

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level people out here suggesting that we

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didn't have said we've been involved

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they said the Cold War was a cover for

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ET I actually challenged the answer was

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I'm not going to nitpick I said I don't

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think the Cold War is nitpicking

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let's now let me go to our website right

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now and I'm not blaming Adam I think he

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does a does a great job with ringing on

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our website right now it says we know

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that spaceships from other planets have

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been visiting earth for decades you know

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we need to extend a welcome mantling

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problem here again you got the industry

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is gonna come in this is what they find

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on our website today let me talk about

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remote viewing now I was on the founding

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board of urbe and they really get upset

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when I say that cuz sometimes it works

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there's no doubt remote viewing does

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work at times says Joe mcmoneagle 0:01

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great case he was getting the target was

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Lawrence Livermore this is what he drove

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if you ever been deliver more this road

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really stands out well worth watching

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you know great target he was also given

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one of the ones as an example of what

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really works at a kh-11 photograph he

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was they were giving him a target grid

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coordinates way up north was a Soviet

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target and he came back and he reported

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that well they asked him that you first

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identified the building then they said

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what's in the buildings okay number of

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submarines there has 20 launch tubes

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forward of the sail nobody's ever seen

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that before double hulled

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a lot of different things now our

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response they gave it to the boat

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builders and they said that can't be

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true there's no indication they're

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changing design and besides we can't do

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that it's too big if it went to depth it

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would crush this was the picture that he

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made of it and the satellite came on

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there was a typhoon class submarine we

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had totally missed it so this is another

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one just took it with Ingo Swann was

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with him last November an interesting

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target down here again not just remote

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viewing but actually using a model clay

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that's Bob Durant as the remote viewer

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civilian remote viewer who did that

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target now I am tired of hearing about

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the myth of military-grade remote

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viewing doesn't work I hope you should

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stay with me okay you see this guy is

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the trainer of all of those people that

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you've heard about he is that she was

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the guy stepping forward made a huge

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career one of the first things he

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they've probably familiar with coast to

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coast I came out there and when Hale

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Bopp was approaching said oh by the way

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behind Hale Bopp this is his wishes of

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some kind

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carrying pathogens they only come in and

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wipe out earth hasn't happened the next

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claim you go on the websites and check

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this all this is still there the farmer

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revote her a predicted with pin per

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precise accuracy where Steve Fossett you

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may remember Steve possible the pilots

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who crashed out there now he was found

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in the Sierra Nevadas

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did say he would be found the Sierra

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Nevadas that's an area of 28,000 miles

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the only mine of them on mountains in

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the area and the logical place for a

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crash as for the precise locations he

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was off by 60 miles which would have

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limited to about 11,000 square miles

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you know how precise he narrowed it down

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and of course the point is remote

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viewing had absolutely nothing to do

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with finding Fossett but if you go on

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the website today this is what you see

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there now he also told me a number of

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things and you can find some of the some

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stuff with Martians nobody had told me

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we were living in Santa Fe at Los Alamos

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that they're landing on top of Mount

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Baldy and they come down here and ended

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up at Santa Fe Institute there were

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tunnels that ran underground they went

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there now very gold mine would Institute

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was involved anything like that but

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there's a whole story and this will come

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that they come to earth because of a

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cosmic accident they're on both planets

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they live in caves in Sirius effectively

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had babies doing it now

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Larry beat me to this one the other day

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and I thought appropriately when we saw

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this you know everybody laughed the guy

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predicted the end of the world probably

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saw it and so what happened three days

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later he says really happened but it was

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invisible emperor has no clothes now one

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of the things that we were talking about

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this point people who had given up

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fortunes sold their property to go out

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to meet the end of the world this guy's

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has this is a hundred and four assets of

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more than 104 million dollars so and

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this was not the first time his

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erroneously predicted the end of the

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world so the tie between reality money

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and these sorts of things just not there

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now he said everybody laughed last time

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this came up this morning in question

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because in 2008 we had this presented to

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us and you're and of course the point is

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quite at the end said hey but you've got

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to use remote viewing and get base it

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against reality

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we've got reality

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Elly axe is still there hasn't moved so

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the response was happened in another

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youniverse I'm sorry this sounds an

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awful lot like Harold Camping yeah and

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by the way if you came up with us all

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remote-viewing could be possible you got

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infinity squared as possibilities now

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last year we had another talk here this

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this was not scheduled but it popped in

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there it was talking about technology on

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Mars and part of it says that you know

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one of the slides is no

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extraterrestrials current current

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inhabitants could be humans possible

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military applications you can't see in

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the back so I'll read this this is from

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our website today ok this is not adding

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things to it this is there are

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unregistered flights going out of Cape

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Canaveral all the time that are never

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recorded to Mars let's understand if you

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live in Florida every time you lost from

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Canaveral you may not know what's on

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there but you damn sure know there was a

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launch so that we're sneaking it out so

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I argued that no this is not possible by

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the way when we went to the moon NASA

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had five point five percent of the

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budget in order to fund Apollo right now

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they're at zero point five percent we

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can't get back to the moon and you want

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to assert that we've got you know

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interactions going on with Mars yeah

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here's the problem as I see it for the

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SSE with these things there

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you know credibility is hard to gain

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it's really easy to lose and the other

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problem is you're not gonna be the only

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ever you're going to be known by your

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lower limits so I think we really have a

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problem and if you don't believe that

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look what's happened to Washington as to

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you know where their credibility is okay

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really quickly yeah I get asked if I

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have agenda I did write a book say why

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cuz I'm a masochist but

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Genda s I think there's a need to make

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it permissible for scientists to study

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phenomenology without risking their

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reputation their career and if we have

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this kinds of stuff up it will not be

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beneficial this is a chance shots you'll

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never see if you don't recognize them

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that's the amusing Randi

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but even though role ray hyman that

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there's not some skeptics do nothing

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because most of these groups self

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emulate and the conclusions of this

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researchers are working with very very

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weak signals the media focuses on the

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noise if we're going to continue a

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scientific organization think we need to

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not be contributing to the noise thank

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you excellent I'm sure there's a lot of

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questions we had people I should line up

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here so I feeling lazy and that way we

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can be sort of somewhat organized and

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then we can take turns okay

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John I applaud it applaud you for what

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you're saying here I don't always agree

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with you but you make a lot of good

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points so the problem is how do you not

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throw out good stuff along with the

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chaff in other words often we criticize

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other organizations for being biased and

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just throwing out a lot of valuable

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information and so our goal is to try to

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be inclusive even if we end up with some

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trash which we have to throw out you can

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do that if you wish to die

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I think it will drive the organization

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Center so how do what do you want to use

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is the criterion to make a distinction

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well I think when you get things that

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are demonstrably false now that would be

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a good place to stop okay John thank you

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very much you're touching on issues

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which unfortunately I have a lot of

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insight on and there were times when we

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also had to go through the same thing

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you're talking about

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and when certain people retired from the

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military that didn't stop them from

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becoming very vocal and that fed back

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and gave us the bad image in our program

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while we were still running and an under

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classified level so it really did hurt

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us badly and I think that's one of the

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factors that you eventually led to

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losing some congressional and support so

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yeah it's a real issue and I painfully

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aware of it in some of the characters

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and you know I have talked about many

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times but don't you think it's possible

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to have some kind of this cannot exactly

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disclaimer but some extra space if we're

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going in the SSE website where you might

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actually say here are some issues have

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come up as a unit as a group we don't

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necessarily agree or not agree agree we

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just want you missed it and my point is

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on our website there are no disclaimers

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I showed you the one of you know Paul

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Hellyer's I mean it says we believe that

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et is here and we're interacting with

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them and have been and we ought to be

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welcome on that the same thing and I

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began I think Adams done a great job

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with what he's had to work but again if

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we want to go to outside industry as

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we're talking about looking for

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corporate sponsorship and they're going

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to come in and look you'd better be

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credible and you can identify things as

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hypothetical and settle inside I don't

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think any problem with that

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but again when you get to LAX is not

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underwater pretty demonstrable two quick

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questions now one I came from AT&T

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Laboratories I've been a member for a

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couple of years and when I talked to my

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vice president at the labs to say what

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am I going to do for my vacation she

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said and I tried to explain this logic

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way I have to read lips all right so her

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response was you're a weird boy I

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actually don't want to hear that kind of

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response because I think you mentioned

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there's some fabulous stuff there the

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second part of this was I couldn't agree

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more I hope to see a lot of rigor and

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the reason I came is to see if there's

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anything I can do just to help a little

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bit there's some techniques we developed

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at the labs and the machine learning

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community boosting that

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machine learning but they can be used I

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think to you to optimize signals the

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signal-to-noise ratio so I think there's

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some techniques we can apply to help

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with this exact problem thanks John

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since we don't discuss a lot of internal

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stuff before the wider community the

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rest of the SSC has no way to know that

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at the council meeting I made the

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mistake of volunteering to be chair of

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the online presence committee but in my

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capacity in that position I'll be

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working with Adam I'll be working with

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Mike Wilson I I would like to invite you

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to please send me or somebody your

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evaluation of what on the SSC website

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you see as really preposterous

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demonstrably untrue or discreditable I

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don't promise that we will follow all of

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your suggestions but I promise that they

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will be paid attention to appreciate it

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but some of its demonstrable you there